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Kennedy says the US will be out of Iran 'in about 6 months'; Waltz says there is 'no timeline'

On the same Sunday, two Republicans gave two different answers about when the war with Iran will end. The war is now nearly seven months old. Neither report we hold says what either answer rests on, and none of the four reports gives a death toll.

Pentagon accused of playing accounting games with U.S. war fatalities
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Two answers from one party. The Hill reports that Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) "predicted Sunday the U.S. will be 'out of' Iran in six months." He said it while campaigning for Sen. Pete Ricketts in Nebraska. The same day, The Washington Post reported that Trump's UN ambassador, Mike Waltz, says "there's no timeline on Iran war's end." Each remark appears in only one outlet.

Who Reported by On the end date On the blockade
Sen. John Kennedy (R) The Hill "about 6 months" not in the part we hold
Amb. Mike Waltz The Washington Post "no timeline" "having the intended effect"
Analysts, not named The Washington Post — eroding the economy "more so than new sanctions"
Tehran The Washington Post — "has said it is not backing down"

Does the blockade work? Waltz says yes. A second Post report says analysts, not named, credit the blockade with eroding Iran's economy. It then adds in its own voice: "Tehran seems to be uncowed." No other outlet assesses the economic effect.

The cost. Kennedy acknowledged higher prices for oil and fertilizer, The Hill reports. MSNBC reports that a "key Democratic senator," not named, accused the Pentagon of being "profoundly disrespectful to our troops and their families" over how it counts US war dead.

Not settled. We do not know what Kennedy's six months is based on. We do not know whether Waltz meant no end date exists or only that none has been made public. We do not know how many Americans or Iranians have died, because none of the four reports gives a number.

What this is about. The United States is at war with Iran. Members of the president's own party now disagree in public about when it will end.

How it got here. The US and Iran have been adversaries since the 1979 revolution in Tehran, when the US embassy was seized. For two decades the main dispute has been Iran's nuclear programme. A 2015 deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, limited that programme in return for lifting sanctions. President Donald Trump took the US out of the deal in 2018 and brought the sanctions back. In June 2025 Israel and Iran fought a short air war, and US aircraft struck Iranian nuclear sites. The current war came after that. The Hill reports it is nearly seven months old. Washington and Tehran dispute why it began and who escalated first.

The actors. Trump, now in his second term, directs the war as commander in chief. The Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war and to pay for it, which is why senators are asked when it will end. John Kennedy is a Republican senator from Louisiana. Mike Waltz was Trump's national security adviser and is now US ambassador to the United Nations. The Pentagon, led by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, counts and reports US military deaths. The government in Tehran is the other side in the war.

What is at stake. The Washington Post reports that the US is using a naval blockade to squeeze Iran's economy. If the blockade works, it may push Tehran to accept terms. If Iran holds out, the war goes on. The Hill reports that Americans are paying for it in oil and fertilizer prices. The war is also a campaign issue: Kennedy spoke while campaigning ahead of the November midterm elections.

Where it stands. No end date has been agreed or announced. The administration's ambassador to the UN says there is no timeline.

The story so far

Earlier stories The AI Times filed on this thread.

What is being argued about

  • when the US war with Iran will end
  • whether the naval blockade is working
  • how the Pentagon counts US war deaths
  • the war's cost in oil and fertilizer prices
Two Republicans, two answers on when the war endsSide by side
WhoOutletWhat they saidBasis given in the report
Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.)The HillThe US will be "out of" Iran in about six monthsNone in the part we hold
Amb. Mike WaltzThe Washington PostThere is "no timeline" on the war's endNone in the part we hold
Amb. Mike WaltzThe Washington PostThe blockade is "having the intended effect" on Iran's economyNone given
Analysts, not namedThe Washington PostThe blockade, "more so than new sanctions", is eroding Iran's economyShortages Iranians face
Each remark appears in only one outlet. The last column shows what the report says the claim is based on.
Sources The Hill
Centre estimate · not a score
The Hill 🇺🇸US · digital · independent Senate Republican on Iran war: ‘I think we’ll be out of there in about 6 months’ Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Hill → What we have measured Accusation attributed the word lying is placed in a named politician's mouth, not the outlet's ×1Actor named No actor named for who kept reporters out ×1Actor named No actor named for who let reporters back in ×1Actor named Names the state as the one that carried out the execution. ×1 from 4315 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Trump’s ambassador to U.N. says there’s no timeline on Iran war’s end Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Iran is suffering yet surviving under Trump’s economic warfare Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times →
Four reports in 18 hoursTimeline
  1. 2026-09-2019:47 publication time of the report, UTC The Washington Post Waltz says there is no timeline on the war's endTehran says it is not backing down
  2. 2026-09-2109:00 publication time of the report, UTC The Washington Post Analysts say the blockade is eroding Iran's economy"Tehran seems to be uncowed"
  3. 2026-09-2112:06 publication time of the report, UTC MSNBC A Democratic senator accuses the Pentagon over how it counts US war deadNo death toll given
  4. 2026-09-2113:39 publication time of the report, UTC The Hill Kennedy predicts the US will be out of Iran in six months 6 monthsSaid Sunday while campaigning in Nebraska
Times are when each report was published, in UTC.
Sources T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Trump’s ambassador to U.N. says there’s no timeline on Iran war’s end Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Iran is suffering yet surviving under Trump’s economic warfare Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → MSNBC
Left estimate · not a score
MSNBC 🇺🇸US · TV/radio · independent Pentagon accused of playing accounting games with U.S. war fatalities Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at MSNBC → What we have measured Accuser not named The lede does not name the senator making the accusation ×1Actor named for the ban The White House is the subject of both verbs: it blocked journalists, then let CNN back in. ×1A first stated flat a never-before claim carried without a source attached ×1Asserted, not attributed absence of fraud evidence stated as fact ×1 from 1470 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → The Hill
Centre estimate · not a score
The Hill 🇺🇸US · digital · independent Senate Republican on Iran war: ‘I think we’ll be out of there in about 6 months’ Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Hill → What we have measured Accusation attributed the word lying is placed in a named politician's mouth, not the outlet's ×1Actor named No actor named for who kept reporters out ×1Actor named No actor named for who let reporters back in ×1Actor named Names the state as the one that carried out the execution. ×1 from 4315 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times →
The bias in this coverageBias

A war with dates but no dead

One report offers an end date and one says there is none. None of the four gives a number of US or Iranian dead. The only report about fatalities is about how the Pentagon counts them, not how many there are.

4 reports held on the war's end 0 reports giving a US fatality figure 0 reports giving an Iranian casualty figure 0 reports naming the senator who accused the Pentagon
Scored without the mastheads. Where the two passes differ, both are kept.
Sources The Hill
Centre estimate · not a score
The Hill 🇺🇸US · digital · independent Senate Republican on Iran war: ‘I think we’ll be out of there in about 6 months’ Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Hill → What we have measured Accusation attributed the word lying is placed in a named politician's mouth, not the outlet's ×1Actor named No actor named for who kept reporters out ×1Actor named No actor named for who let reporters back in ×1Actor named Names the state as the one that carried out the execution. ×1 from 4315 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Trump’s ambassador to U.N. says there’s no timeline on Iran war’s end Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Iran is suffering yet surviving under Trump’s economic warfare Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → MSNBC
Left estimate · not a score
MSNBC 🇺🇸US · TV/radio · independent Pentagon accused of playing accounting games with U.S. war fatalities Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at MSNBC → What we have measured Accuser not named The lede does not name the senator making the accusation ×1Actor named for the ban The White House is the subject of both verbs: it blocked journalists, then let CNN back in. ×1A first stated flat a never-before claim carried without a source attached ×1Asserted, not attributed absence of fraud evidence stated as fact ×1 from 1470 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times →

Claims and verdicts

No claims registered.

Who wrote it

M Max Rego The Hill
What the bias passes found in their reporting
Actor named No actor named for who kept reporters out×1
Asymmetric labelling the Democratic leader is given his state without a party letter, where the same-shaped report on the Speaker gives party and state×1
Attributed prediction The six-month exit is Kennedy's prediction and is attributed to him×1
Cost acknowledged the costs are stated as prices, not as lives×1
Claims we checked that rest on their reporting
2 misleading3 disputed5 unverified8 true
From 229 reports we hold under this byline, at The Hill. Two independent readings, each made without the masthead, a quote attached to every tag. A record, never a rating. Their full record →
S Steve Benen MSNBC
What the bias passes found in their reporting
Accuser not named The lede does not name the senator making the accusation×1
A first stated flat a never-before claim carried without a source attached×1
Asserted, not attributed A claim about what the president understood is stated as fact, with no source.×1
Asserted, not attributed absence of fraud evidence stated as fact×1
Claims we checked that rest on their reporting
4 disputed15 unverified13 true
From 337 reports we hold under this byline, at MSNBC. Two independent readings, each made without the masthead, a quote attached to every tag. A record, never a rating. Their full record →
A Asal Abasian The Washington Post
What the bias passes found in their reporting
Hedged assessment the reporter's own hedged judgement, beside unnamed analysts×1
Hedge in the writer's voice Iran's resolve is judged by the writer, with a hedge×1
Unnamed sources The claim about the economy rests on analysts who are not named×1
From 1 report we hold under this byline, at The Washington Post. Two independent readings, each made without the masthead, a quote attached to every tag. A record, never a rating. Their full record →
S Susannah George The Washington Post
What the bias passes found in their reporting
Hedged assessment the reporter's own hedged judgement, beside unnamed analysts×1
Hedge in the writer's voice Iran's resolve is judged by the writer, with a hedge×1
Speech framed through the other side The headline presents the address as a reply to a US threat. It leads with Trump's word, not with anything the speaker said.×1
Unnamed sources The claim about the economy rests on analysts who are not named×1
From 8 reports we hold under this byline, at The Washington Post. Two independent readings, each made without the masthead, a quote attached to every tag. A record, never a rating. Their full record →
S Sammy Westfall The Washington Post
What the bias passes found in their reporting
Asserted versus attributed the claim is hedged in the headline; the smoke is stated flat in the body×1
Measure chosen the pump price, not the strikes×1
Symmetric attribution both sides are attributed: the envoy 'said', Tehran 'has said'×1
Symmetric attribution Both the US envoy and Tehran get 'said'×1
Claims we checked that rest on their reporting
1 disputed1 true
From 17 reports we hold under this byline, at The Washington Post. Two independent readings, each made without the masthead, a quote attached to every tag. A record, never a rating. Their full record →
The bylines on the reports this story is built from. Hover one for what our passes have measured on their reporting.

Coverage, outlet by outlet

The Hill
Centre estimate · not a score
The Hill 🇺🇸US · digital · independent Senate Republican on Iran war: ‘I think we’ll be out of there in about 6 months’ Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Hill → What we have measured Accusation attributed the word lying is placed in a named politician's mouth, not the outlet's ×1Actor named No actor named for who kept reporters out ×1Actor named No actor named for who let reporters back in ×1Actor named Names the state as the one that carried out the execution. ×1 from 4315 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → — independent
The only report of Kennedy's six-month forecast, made while campaigning in Nebraska. He acknowledged that oil and fertilizer prices have gone up.
Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) predicted Sunday the U.S. will be “out of” Iran in six months, as the conflict approaches the seven-month mark. While stumping for Sen. Pete Ricketts (R-Neb.) in Nebraska, Kennedy acknowledged the war has resulted in price increases for oil and fertilizer. But the Louisiana Republican argued the U.S. has so far…
Prediction reported as: a senator's forecast is reported as a prediction, with no basis given in the lede — “predicted Sunday the U.S. will be “out of” Iran in six months”
Cost acknowledged: the costs are stated as prices, not as lives — “acknowledged the war has resulted in price increases for oil and fertilizer”
Attributed prediction: The six-month exit is Kennedy's prediction and is attributed to him — “Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) predicted Sunday the U.S. will be “out of” Iran in six months”
Loaded verb: 'Acknowledged' presents the price rises as a concession Kennedy made — “Kennedy acknowledged the war has resulted in price increases for oil and fertilizer”
Read it at The Hill → https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/6101336-senate-gop-john-kennedy-don…
MSNBC
Left estimate · not a score
MSNBC 🇺🇸US · TV/radio · independent Pentagon accused of playing accounting games with U.S. war fatalities Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at MSNBC → What we have measured Accuser not named The lede does not name the senator making the accusation ×1Actor named for the ban The White House is the subject of both verbs: it blocked journalists, then let CNN back in. ×1A first stated flat a never-before claim carried without a source attached ×1Asserted, not attributed absence of fraud evidence stated as fact ×1 from 1470 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → — independent
The only report about war deaths, and it is about how the Pentagon counts US deaths, not how many there are. The part we hold does not name the Democratic senator making the accusation.
The first sign of trouble came in July. While there was seemingly no meaningful debate about how many U.S. troops had died as part of the war with Iran — 18 American service members had made the ultimate sacrifice — the Defense Department decided to change its official online tally on the number of fatalities. The total of 18 was reduced to 14, reportedly because administration officials decided that the most recent deaths occurred after Donald Trump had declared a ceasefire, so they literally did not count. Not surprisingly, veterans and the loved ones of the fallen soldiers were not pleased,
Unnamed accuser: the lede does not name the senator making the accusation — “A key Democratic senator accused the Defense Department”
Accuser not named: The lede does not name the senator making the accusation — “A key Democratic senator accused the Defense Department”
Read it at MSNBC → https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseth-pentagon-iran-…
T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Iran is suffering yet surviving under Trump’s economic warfare Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → — independent
Unnamed analysts say the blockade is hurting Iran's economy more than new sanctions are. The writer judges that Tehran 'seems to be uncowed'.
As Iranians face shortages, President Donald Trump’s blockade, more so than new sanctions, is eroding the country’s economy, analysts say. But Tehran appears to remain uncowed.
Hedged assessment: the reporter's own hedged judgement, beside unnamed analysts — “Tehran seems to be uncowed.”
Unnamed sources: The claim about the economy rests on analysts who are not named — “President Donald Trump’s blockade, more so than new sanctions, is eroding the country’s economy, analysts say”
Hedge in the writer's voice: Iran's resolve is judged by the writer, with a hedge — “Tehran seems to be uncowed.”
Read it at The Washington Post → https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/09/21/iran-is-suffering-yet-s…
T The Washington Post
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The Washington Post 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent Trump’s ambassador to U.N. says there’s no timeline on Iran war’s end Open this report in The AI Times → Read it at The Washington Post → What we have measured Accused's denial carried the only report carrying the Marine's side ×1Actor named via accusation the administration is named as acting, through the ranchers' charge; the price rise is stated flat ×1Asserted, not attributed a shift of power to Iran stated flat in the headline ×1Asserted or attributed the headline states as data what the body shows the chair selecting in a speech ×1 from 1237 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → — independent
Waltz says there is no timeline and that the blockade is having its intended effect. Tehran says it is not backing down.
Mike Waltz said the U.S. naval blockade was having the intended effect of pressuring Iran's economy, but Tehran has said it is not backing down.
Symmetric attribution: both sides are attributed: the envoy 'said', Tehran 'has said' — “said the U.S. naval blockade was having the intended effect of pressuring Iran's economy, but Tehran has said it is not backing down.”
Symmetric attribution: Both the US envoy and Tehran get 'said' — “Mike Waltz said the U.S. naval blockade was having the intended effect of pressuring Iran's economy, but Tehran has said it is not backing down.”
Read it at The Washington Post → https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/09/20/iran-war-end-has-no-tim…
Checked, didn’t cover
Mother Jones
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Mother Jones 🇺🇸US · magazine · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Asserted, not attributed 'ultra-gerrymandered' stated as fact ×1Asserted versus attributed 'Cover-up' is asserted in the report's own voice, not attributed ×1Asserted versus attributed calls it a cover-up in its own voice ×1Assertion vs attribution describes the operation as a 'violent occupation' in its own voice, with no source for the phrase ×1 from 361 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → Reuters
Centre estimate · not a score
Reuters 🇺🇸US · wire · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Actor named The attacker is the subject of an active verb for both the deaths and the damage ×1Actor named No actor named for who cancelled the flights ×1Agreement stated flat, source in a tail attribution moved after the dash ×1Announcement written as settled A social-media post becomes a future indicative: the conversion will happen ×1 from 13380 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → N NPR
Centre estimate · not a score
NPR 🇺🇸US · public broadcaster · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Asserted, not attributed that the system wrongly flagged citizens is stated flat, with no source named for it ×1Asserted versus attributed public disbelief stated as established, with nothing cited that measured it ×1Asserted versus attributed Past threats of force are stated flat, as background ×1Asymmetric labelling one side tagged by its patron, the other not ×1 from 1144 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → P Politico
Centre estimate · not a score
Politico 🇺🇸US · digital · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Nothing scored yet. We do not carry a rating for any outlet — only what we have measured from published text. Outlet profile in The AI Times → Fox News
Right estimate · not a score
Fox News 🇺🇸US · TV/radio · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Accused named Names one former fraternity member through his lawyer's denial. The woman is anonymous by her own choice. ×1Actor in headline The headline names Trump as the one acting. The body names only Anduril. ×1A number, with no people named The only report that gives a figure counts the journalists whose communications were swept up. It names none of them. ×1Asserted, not attributed stated flat: past court defeats are asserted with no case, judge or date named ×1 from 6432 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → Breitbart
Right estimate · not a score
Breitbart 🇺🇸US · digital · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Anyone hurt is counted, not named eight deaths given as a number only ×1Framing of motive The lede calls the denial a punishment and puts 'fake news' in quotation marks; the officials being sued are left unnamed ×1How the person shot is named a status, not a name: the only report that never uses either name calls him an illegal alien ×1How the place is described a party label attached to the city in the same clause as the casualty count ×1 from 3584 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → The New York Times
Centre-left estimate · not a score
The New York Times 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Active and passive voice the ship is 'targeted' with no actor, one sentence before a named actor is given for the Saudi attack ×1Active vs passive voice Pike is named as the killer in the active voice; the botched execution has no actor named ×1Actor label Names the shooter by its backer, not by its own name. ×1Actor named Names the official and what the process did to Pike. ×1 from 3862 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times → National Review
Centre-right estimate · not a score
National Review 🇺🇸US · magazine · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Asserted not attributed Doubt about the allegation is stated flat, in the outlet's own voice ×1Asserted not attributed An argument about deterrence is stated as fact ×1Asserted versus attributed calls it an abuse of power in its own voice ×1Asserted versus attributed 'Abuse of presidential power' is stated flat ×1 from 414 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times →
Silence is recorded, not inferred — each of these was read when we built this story and carried nothing on this event.
We could not read these
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Centre-right estimate · not a score
The Wall Street Journal 🇺🇸US · newspaper · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Nothing scored yet. We do not carry a rating for any outlet — only what we have measured from published text. Outlet profile in The AI Times → Associated Press
Centre estimate · not a score
Associated Press 🇺🇸US · wire · independent No report held from this outlet on this story. What we have measured Dating and attribution Dates the signing to Aug. 6, 2026 and writes ord ×1Dating and attribution Carries a dateline correction, repeated three ti ×1How hard the claim is stated Marks "birth tourism" as the administration's ow ×1How hard the claim is stated high ×1 from 223 articles we hold · quote attached Outlet profile in The AI Times →
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